Say Her Name: Unapologetic Amplification and Breaking the Glass Ceiling
Season 5, Episode 3
Guest: Tiffany Andrews, Sales and Marketing Administrator, Myrtle Beach Convention Center
This Women's History Month, Tiffany Andrews, sales and marketing administrator at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center, shares her perspectives on how to break the glass ceiling and build upon the advancements of women.
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Meet Our Guest
Tiffany Andrews, sales and marketing administrator at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center, is a seasoned marketing and communications professional with 30 years of dynamic experience in the industry, offering a comprehensive suite of skills that span across traditional and digital media platforms.
With a robust background in B2B and consumer advertising, Tiffany is the quintessential go-to expert for crafting compelling brand messages that effectively leverage augmented reality and AI technologies. Her prowess in PR, storytelling, reputation management and multi-platform marketing strategies is matched by her talent in social media, SEO, copywriting, creative design concepts, immersive technology ideas and engaging multicultural audiences.
A staunch advocate for diversity and inclusion, Tiffany's work extends beyond marketing campaigns. She is a recognized voice in the American Advertising Federation's APEX speakers’ bureau, where she contributes as a minority speaker, emphasizing the significance of diversity in the workplace. Her strategic initiatives have notably advanced the Hispanic market segment for a hotelier through targeted direct mail campaigns, and she is the pioneer behind Myrtle Beach, South Carolina’s first Cinco de Mayo cultural event.
At the heart of Tiffany's success is her ability to merge industry trends with innovative sales strategies, ensuring seamless project workflow and effective team collaboration to meet and surpass objectives. Her educational foundation, with a BA in English Literature and a Minor in Communications from Fayetteville State University, coupled with extensive leadership training, underscores her role as an invaluable team player.
Since joining the Myrtle Beach Convention Center in the fall of 2003, Tiffany has redefined marketing within the convention space, pushing creative boundaries to attract group and leisure travel. As the sales and marketing coordinator, she oversees branding, media placement, social media strategy and promotional concepts, emphasizing the importance of understanding the market and focusing on convenience to stand out in a crowded advertising landscape.
In 2007, The Andrews Agency was launched as "your agency next door" that connects you to your target audience. For years, The Andrews Agency has been the stand-out ad agency in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
The Andrews Agency talents boast over 50 years of traditional marketing experience and 25 years of non-traditional marketing experience. Her team is comprised of reliable professionals ready to create, brand, market and advertise your company and are leaders in the southeast for Multi Cultural Marketing, and will transcend your brand messaging from print to radio, television, out of home, web, social, mobile-podcasting, blogging and as a content creator.
Beyond her professional endeavors, Tiffany finds joy in the simple pleasures of life, like relaxing on her porch surrounded by nature and yearly retreat to Mepkin Abbey. Yet, it’s her role as a dependable daughter, helping her mother navigate the complexities of the digital world, that she holds dear as her most prized accomplishment.
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Courtney believes that transforming past experiences into impactful conversations through raw, authentic storytelling challenges the status quo, connects people from all walks of life and results in great change for the world.
Courtney is the youngest member to have ever been elected to Meeting Professionals International’s (MPI) International Board of Directors.
She is the recipient of Smart Meetings’ Entrepreneur Award,
MeetingsNet’s Changemaker Award, the Association for Women in Events (AWE) Disruptor Award, the MPI Chairman’s Award and MPI RISE Award.
Named Collaborate and Connect Magazine’s 40 under 40 and a Meetings Today Trendsetter.
Recognized as one of the event industry’s most impactful change-makers.
Serves on the Events Industry Sexual Harassment Task Force, AWE’s Board of Directors, MPI’s Women’s Advisory Board, is a Meetings Mean Business Ambassador and is the co-founder of the award-winning movement, #MeetingsToo.
Named as a 2020 Meetings Trendsetter by Meetings Today.
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Transcript:
Editors note: The following transcription was facilitated by AI program Otter.ai and proofed by our editors. Although it is very accurate, there inevitably will be some mistakes, so please consider that when reading. Thank you.
Courtney Stanley
This episode is brought to you by the Wyndham Grand Clearwater Beach and the Myrtle Beach Convention Center.
Hello everybody. This is Courtney Stanley and welcome to another exciting episode of Dare to Interrupt, the only podcast made by women for women in the world of events, hospitality, tourism and beyond. We hope you feel empowered as you listen in on honest unfiltered conversations with leaders who are considered to be the most influential, inspiring and innovative women in business today.
Throughout their careers, these leaders have dared to interrupt conversations, their own comfort zones and sometimes even societal norms to hustle toward their greatest levels of success. Please welcome today's guest. I'm so excited to be here interviewing her today, Tiffany Andrews, sales and marketing administrator at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center. Welcome, Tiffany, how are you?
Tiffany Andrews
I am great. It's amazing to be on this podcast with you. I think the only part of the introduction that would have like, really lifted me for the afternoon was the tune, "Every Day I'm Hustling, Every Day I'm Hustling."
Courtney Stanley
Yes, and you are a hustler. I know that. I mean, I know a bit about what you do. I would love for you to share with the audience more about your career background, and also what you're doing today because I know you wear a lot of hats as a hustler.
Tiffany Andrews
Okay, I'm going to, to not date myself. But to start out saying I originally wanted a career in journalism. And actually I interned for several years for a CBS affiliate. And the camcorder was no this asset camcorder was like wait way more than me. I ruined several pair of suede shoes going into the field to do stories about potatoes. I realized it wasn't for me.
So, I shifted to sales. And from sales that led into radio sales, direct mail, work at an ad agency as a marketing director where I learned so much about graphic design that per column inch. And when someone says, Oh, I just want a quarter page ad in a magazine or a magazine, but newspaper? Well, that's not the same thing as a magazine as opposed to magazines a tabloid. Before me, there was no Google there was existed. We did have a fax machine. And I think MySpace was where you were before Facebook.
And I slowly realized that, okay, well, I understand huts, and putts, which, for those people in the television industry, that was you know, how you go radio or not radio, but TV, I need to learn more about social media, or else I'm not going to have a job. And so hence, I started to transition to learn as much as I could about everything. But still knowing that I didn't know it all, but I knew who to call, who knew at all--there we have it.
Courtney Stanley
That is a really beautiful career history, you've done a lot of things. And I'm gonna say in a short amount of time, because we've got lots of opportunity in life to do different things. So, you've done so much in your career so far. And talk to me about your role today, what that entails, how you got into it, what you like about it. I want to hear more about that.
Tiffany Andrews
Okay, so, you know, obviously, it's a huge difference when you're working for an advertising agency, because you have several different clients, right? How help ever, when you're working for just one particular brand, and being very true to that brand voice, and having the flexibility to do different things with that brand, but still making it very organic and natural, is absolutely wonderful. So, if someone asked me today, what it is I do, instead of saying marketing and advertising, I would say that I am technically a content creator. And I'd like it well, at the end of the day, I like to create immersive experiences for all that visit our facility.
Courtney Stanley
That sounds like a really fun job to have. What type of content is your favorite to create?
Tiffany Andrews
Animation? Keep in mind I don't code, so when people say oh, what do you do? Okay, well, I don't code, no graphic design. And obviously, you know, nothing to do with animation. So, but what I do is come up with the concepts that I think will work and then I'll have someone say, Yes, Tim, but… and why are you asking about edge casing? Why did you go down this rabbit hole, but I'm like, hey, I want something that's going to be the very best, and that's going to engage the people that come into our office, facility, and also something that's going to reach the meeting planner or the event producer.
You know, knowing that our society is made up of like three different folks in the workplace, you know, you we have our boomers or Gen Z. And our millennials, you know, each generation can't be, basically they consume content in different ways. And that's really, really important for me.
So even if I'm sitting out in eblasts, alright, if people ask us about managing, negotiating contracts, that's something that's going to be read during the daytime. Now, if at eblasts, it's about work life balance, it's more than likely is going to be consumed on a personal device. So, I want to see how much the person is going to have to scroll, you know, to view it on their iPad or on their phone. So, I really kind of push the envelope with the industry, but it's really for the greater good.
Courtney Stanley
Yeah, yeah. And that's a big topic of conversation in the events industry, specifically right now. But really any industry that's hosting some sort of immersive experience, whether it's a virtual event, whether it's in person is how are we able to not only target a variety of generations and demographics, but engage generations in a way that works for them. I think that's actually probably one of the greatest challenges that conference planners and meeting planners are having.
We see articles about this all the time, how do we attract Gen Z to these events? And how do we continue to create educational experiences that are still challenging to more senior professionals. So, I think it's really great to hear from your perspective as a content creator, that this is very top of mind for you, not just the content that's being delivered, but the experience that people go through, when they're actually digesting the information that you're trying to, to get them to absorb. So, I think very relevant to what we're going through today, and just such a fascinating part of the work that you do. Why?
Tiffany Andrews
You know, sometimes, yeah, and oftentimes, we think we know what the answer is, but we really don't know.
For example, I was at a conference. And legitimately it was a networking moment. And we were making pet rocks, right? And I was around when pet rocks were around, but I knew that there was another young man that wasn't and he was like, What is this? Like, oh, you could put these eyes on and make the pet rock?
Well, he was there. I said, Hey, what was your biggest takeaway from the conference? And he was sharing some of the insights, he said, But you know what, I wish we had more of that. It was like what he said, if they pair us with people that had relevant experience in the silo that we work in. And so that's when that mentorship piece comes in, you know, really sharing your knowledge and taking time out. Because if you make a difference in one person's life, gosh, you can really lay your head on the pillow at night, and say you did good work.
Courtney Stanley
Yep, I would definitely agree with that. Now, it's Women's History Month. And we are of course here to celebrate support and empower one another not just this month, but you know, with a little bit more intention and focus on that right now. So, I want to take a moment to celebrate you and honor the work that you've done. What would you say throughout your career has been your greatest success or proudest moment?
Tiffany Andrews
While the reason you're getting a pause is because we're talking about women's history month. As a woman, we're often taught or expect not to toot our own horn, you know. We can be in a board room and there could be a project that's been delegated. And the man can say, I can do this, this, this, this this. And we say nothing, even though we may have more education and more experience in that. And so my Nana always taught me it's a poor frog that doesn't praise it's own pond. Which means you have to speak up for your accomplishments and the things that you can do. But at the same time, you're not just going to do it as well as your male counterparts, but you're also going to do it better. Because you have that obligation. You must. You can never stop. It's never good enough. Take a step back, and there's always room to make it better.
Courtney Stanley
Do you feel like there was one moment in particular, or a few moments in particular, that stand out to you in your career experience where you either struggled to advocate for yourself, or you did choose to amplify your work in, in front of stakeholders, and that made a difference.
Tiffany Andrews
Definitely. And that did happen. And the simplest form was I started with everyone that works here--raise their hand. And I was let down by who has X number of years of experience with a corporation, who has an associate's degree who has a college degree, who has a background in marketing and advertising, who has XYZ, who has successfully maintained the budget, and generated an income that was unexpected to the organization. And when those hands start slowly going down, then they realize who the authority is without you even saying those words. And that's where that level of respect comes, or the level of resentment may come. But at the end of the day, you want what's best for the organization that you work for. So, it's not to belittle anyone, it's just placing--it's just putting that stake in the ground to say, Hey, I'm here. I know how to do this. I'm going to do it efficiently, effectively. And with due diligence, and the most important thing is thoughtfulness.
Courtney Stanley
And in that situation, were you facilitating the conversation and asking people to put their hands down, when the questions were no longer relevant to them? Or were you in the room with your hand raised and then had to put your hand down when necessary?
Tiffany Andrews
I was actually facilitating one conversation. Yes.
Courtney Stanley
How was that? How was that received? I know you said it can create a level of respect, or it can create some resentment. Did you experience both when you went through that exercise?
Tiffany Andrews
I did. However, it ended with the person in charge. And well, it looks like this meeting is over. And we know who's driving the bus? And the bus was driven and it was driven effectively. And we came in the low budget.
Courtney Stanley
That is definitely a moment that would stand out to me, too. In my career, yeah, that's really powerful. That's really powerful. Tiffany, and I have to ask, too, so we've talked about a moment that you feel more proud of what has been maybe one of the greater challenges that you feel that you've overcome in your career, or that you're currently dealing with?
Tiffany Andrews
It's the glass ceiling. Most people say, oh, there isn't one. You know, when I look back to like, let's look at the ages of like, the goodness, the boomers like my mother. You know, there was affirmative action that was there. Certain quotas needed to be reached. And you know, those days are pretty much gone. However, when I say the glass ceiling, and don't get me wrong, there's so many times I hear that we no longer see color. We no longer see gender. You know, we've even had an African American president. Okay, that's one that we all get. And when I mentioned that glass ceiling, right now, being an accomplished woman, it oftentimes takes a white male that I'm friends with that believes in me because they know my work ethic, to not necessarily speak up for me, but to open doors that I would have never been able to open myself.
Courtney Stanley
Can you give an example of what some of those doors might be?
Tiffany Andrews
Well, sure. One was actually--and I didn't even know that I needed to do this. There was one that was on a collegiate level. I had served in a higher education capacity, being appointed by our state legislators. There was a position there. Just based off my history with the higher education institution and my resume and credentials. I just knew I was going to get the interview. Didn't happen. Remember, like, as I say, you know, there's people you have in your kitchen cabinet you talk to about anything, you know? And I was talking to a fellow mentor friend of my experience. And I was shocked I didn't even get an interview. I knew I was Uber qualified. I even knew the university, you know…my name is on buildings there, I couldn't understand. And they said to me, Well, why didn't you tell me, we will have made a phone call. And I said, I didn't think I needed to. I thought my reputation and my resume spoke for itself. And I didn't just do just a standard-issue resume, I had like, a, I think like a resume reel.
Wish I could remember the song that was like playing in the background. But it shows like snapshots of me speaking to youth organizations, to awards that I've won. Things that I've done, even within the advertising industry, you know, we talked about how you're going to touch different touch points of the generations, like, Hey, this is what was dominated for the boomers, this is what we did to reach the Gens. This is what we did for the millennials. So, you know, I really kind of sold it in a package that I didn't realize I needed to have that spokesperson.
Courtney Stanley
And do you feel like… Do you feel like it was a situation that was common where most people needed some kind of referral or recommendation to get their foot in the door? Or do you feel like it was because of other reasons that there were some barriers that were in the way?
Tiffany Andrews
I think it is very common. I think is a conversation that no one has because it's an uncomfortable conversation. Because not only does that conversation, I mean, not only does that conversation unpack gender, it unpacks race and even religion, and sometimes age.
Courtney Stanley
So, what do you think we need to be doing more of to build upon the advancements of women to remove some of these barriers? Or even to maybe to have more conversations? What do you think we can be doing to change the current reality?
Tiffany Andrews
I honestly think if women helped women… You know, often when you look at any corporation, you know, the C-suite, you only see one. It doesn't have to be one, it can be many, or there can be a protege. Let's just say there's no room for you to move in this particular company. But hey, I know they're going to be hiring, let's say in New York, or Atlanta, Miami, it doesn't really matter. And I have resources there. For us to really start pulling our resources together to help one another. It's not difficult. I see it done all the time--to people that don't look like me.
Courtney Stanley
Do you feel like there's a reason why women aren't as quick to help one another?
Tiffany Andrews
I think it's because somewhere in--and I'm totally generalizing. I don't want all women to think this is like my belief, right? Or this is their truth. Sure. But some people think, Well, I had to struggle to get here, so you should have to struggle to get here. And I don't believe that makes getting to that next level any less sweeter or any more rewarding to the other person? Mm hmm.
Courtney Stanley
Well, and I think something that you said earlier in the conversation around mentorship was how the experience of being a mentor is a gift. And I think that that actually ties in beautifully to this notion that, you know, it's actually not for anybody's benefit, to hold the reins so tight, that you're not allowing anybody else the opportunity to sit next to you on the ride. There could actually be so much more value in supporting and helping to elevate other women that also brings value to your life, not just theirs.
Tiffany Andrews
And that's very true. There was a really, really bad storm--like the storm of the century, probably like four years ago. And the organization that I am affiliated with is the American Advertising Federation. And they were holding a gala. And one of the leaders within the organization, she's no longer there, she took a liking to me. And she's like, Tiffany, I want you to be my guest and sit at my table. Like, really, okay, when needless to say, this freakin’ storm happened, okay. I'm like sitting in airports, I'm thinking I have my clothes, I can change, you know. I wouldn't even care about changing in the bathroom stalls, you know, to get to this function, because I knew that she had my best interests at heart. And that because she knew where my passion was, she was definitely gonna pair me with the correct company or the correct stakeholder.
See, you know, the key is that, where you're where you're able to go to that person who already has the hiring power, I don't mean HR, you know, that already has a hiring power, they say, Hey, this is the person you want to handle your podcast, or this is the person you want to handle, you know, developing a new app, or I've seen their work when it comes to the creative space and pushing the boundaries. This is where they fit in with your company. You know, those are great things to do. And those are things that we should, and it's like picking up a phone call, you know, it's not just passing on a business card or whatever. But they have a vested interest in you because they believe in you and your talents. And they're telling their friends, you know, just like we have the reviews on like products and services that you get, they're telling their friends that trust their reviews that this is someone you want with your organization. Mm hmm.
Courtney Stanley
So, here's one of the most common questions that I receive from young professionals. And sometimes even people who have been in their industry for 20-plus years that have never had a mentor. I always get asked the question, how do I find a mentor? And I think this is an important part of this conversation. Because what I'm hearing is you got to surround yourself with the right people who will say your name in rooms when you are not there. And who will lift you up, who will open those doors that you either don't have access to or don't even know about or maybe you've knocked in that door that is not opening on its own. So how do you find the right people? What qualities? Do you try to identify what values? And what's the strategy behind finding mentors and supporters that are going to really amplify you and your value?
Tiffany Andrews
That's a cool question. And it's actually two-fold. Number one, you as a person; you have to have a bold voice. So, let's just say you attended a workshop or a conference; it doesn't, it doesn't even matter. Or you could have been online and watched a Zoom, right? And you could message that person that totally inspired you and say, will you mentor me in x, y, z, not just where you be my mentor, really to drill down on what it is that you want to be hyper focused on, okay? And say, and maybe for a month or so, because you know, as a professional, you're so busy, you're thinking, Oh, my goodness, this could be for your for a year, I’m freaked out. I'm pretty nervous about this. So as a person, you know, wanting to find a mentor, you can do it.
Now, one of the great things that I have to just applaud the American Advertising Federation is because we work with students—when I say students, high college students—and determine, help them kind of tell us what it is they're great at. And we say, Well, hey, how about you pair with this person to kind of get a feel for x, y, z? And so we worked with them. There was a young lady that worked with me on my first Snapchat filter, right? I knew nothing about Snap, I'm not a snapper, okay? And I said, Hey, I want this and this. I want something for male and something from female. That's what I'm thinking, because, you know, I think I know it all, right? Well, she went a step further. She said, Tiffany, you know, guys really don't use those lenses like the girls do.
So she did our own research without me asking I'm like, Oh, really? Okay. Well, what do you think that would engage the guys on Snap that would make it relevant to the project I was building out. She told me later on, the young lady had a job interview. She said, can I just use a reference? I said, of course, why not? You know, you work for a municipality? Why wouldn't you? Okay, well, time came, the reference, the interviewer called. And because I work with the young lady, you know, I knew her work style. I knew her work ethic. And I was like, Hey, she's, x, x, y, z. She's health insurance. And I gave her a laundry list. She got the job. And she got the job making more than what I told her the other counterparts came out of college making, right.
So that following year, someone said, Miss Andrews, I thought you said we wouldn't making $50,000. I said, well, like in New York. But yeah, in Southern states, you probably wouldn't even need a roommate, or is it gonna take a minute? You guys? She did? I'm like, Well, you know, she did the work. Are you doing the work? But that type of thing normally really just does not happen. But she did the work. And it was about timing. Yes.
Courtney Stanley
And I think you know, it was so strategic for her to leverage your knowledge, you know, your experience for her to come to you and proactively ask these questions to be able to not just get her foot in the door, but negotiate. You know, those are questions that, I mean, people who are trying to get a first job are not going to have the answers to without some support.
Tiffany Andrews
So, so nervous. So you know, I kept texting her because I know that I know that text was my best form of communication, right? I'm like, text me, call me before you call her back. I'm negotiating your salary. Because there's no going back, you know. I've been there before. There's no going back; that salary is that salary. And I want her to know, I've negotiated your salary, and your health care, and even vacation time…
Courtney Stanley
That's so great, though. And that type of mentorship is obviously available, because you were so gracious and generous and giving that advice and really supporting that person who needed a little bit of extra support at that time just walking through a conversation that was a first-time conversation. But it also makes such an impact even beyond one person, especially if we think of, you know, equal pay. That’s one example of if more senior women were to mentor younger women, is specifically in the new, excuse me, the negotiation process for a job, whether it's a first job, whether it's a promotion, whether it's a career jump, whatever. I mean, that's going to do us good as a whole, in raising the bar for what our standards and expectations are for any type of benefit, whether it's monetary or it's something like, you know, parental leave or whatever.
Tiffany Andrews
It's really important to know your self worth, and to be able to articulate it, unapologetically. And that's where we fall short. But we shouldn't, because folks that don't look like us, they do. Mm hmm. And guess what, they're not seen as aggressive. You know, all these but you know, these words we hate to hear, you know, they're not seen as assertive. They're not seen as pushy, or any of those things. So, we just have to remove those negative connotations. And say, I'm fighting for what's equitable? Oh, look at that word: us. That's not a new word at all in the industry. Is it is equitable? Yeah, there you go. That's the ticket.
Courtney Stanley
Yeah, and that's fair, you know, and it's right for women to amplify their value. But it really does start with believing it first, you know, not faking it till you make it but actually truly believing that you deserve the same opportunity as somebody who is equally qualified and equally experienced. So, Tiffany, yes. And you've done so much in your career, and I admire a lot of the work that you do, specifically. I think the mentorship story that you shared, because to me, that really does show me a lot about your character and also the things that you value, and clearly serving others is one of those things. What legacy do you aspire to leave within our industry?
Tiffany Andrews
Well, first of all, I want people to stop thinking that there is a box, okay? Or that there is a [unintelligible]. You know, they almost just throw that all out of the window. Because we reach people at different touch points. And it's not the way we thought; there is absolutely no box, just throw those two things out of the way, like forget about it. Okay. Now, anything that you see that's done, like in the b2b space, or excuse me, b2c space, I like to look at that. So, you know, that's pretty cool. How can I do that in the b2b space, you know, so just kind of shake things up a bit. It's okay to be a disrupter. As long as you're creating value and tangible content. So, you know, when I think of like, legacy, at the end of the day, I really, truly hope that my legacy is going to be one that will impact change, and inspiration. You know, I really aim to not just be remembered for breaking barriers for myself, but for paving the ways for others, you know, but just simply by championing diversity and inclusion initiatives, mentoring emerging leaders from underrepresented groups, and advocating for policies that really ensure equality. To me, that's what I choose to contribute. And that is my legacy.
Courtney Stanley
Well, I think that that's very admirable. And I want to ask you one follow up question to that response. If you could change any one thing, or if you could break one more barrier? What kind of change would you make? Or what kind of barrier would you break?
Tiffany Andrews
This is going to seem like a Freaky Friday moment, right? But I think there's so much to be gained by a person walking in someone else's shoes for 24 hours. So, while that's not breaking a barrier, that's probably like something like Pythagorean Theorem, like the science and like, you know, quantum physics, but for someone to really see what the day in life is, of that other person, will speak, you know, mounds, they'll really, really get what the struggle is. And they'll even understand to where many times. And I'm gonna say, for me, I am like three different people. You know, I'm Tiffany at work. I'm Tiffany at meetings. I'm Tiffany at social gatherings events, like I'm, you know, Tiffany with my friends. And that's a lot of juggling going on. And at the same time, you're being excellent and trying to be true to your identity and really authentic. I wish I could like…your question was a really, really good question. But I just really wish everyone could just kind of walk in someone's shoes, for at least a week to really tell the story. Because sometimes I say a person couldn't last a day in my shoes, but a week, really, tell the story of what life is like for real, like a week, just being that person for a week, and just seeing what it's like. It is absolutely phenomenal.
Courtney Stanley
I think that's a really, yeah. I think that's a really creative and empathetic response. And I think that would be if we were ever able to have that Freaky Friday moment, I think that would be an incredible experience. And I think probably one of the most healing experiences that human beings could have in how they understand each other, and how they treat one another. So, I really appreciate that response. It's completely I mean, I don't know, futuristic, is it going to happen? We'll see.
Tiffany Andrews
You know what, and it could happen? We don't know. But it's gonna teach us; it definitely would teach us empathy. And Grace.
Courtney Stanley
Yes, Grace. Yes, that is very true. Yes. Well, Tiffany, this has been a phenomenal conversation, and I do want to give you a chance to share some closing words. So, my final question for you today is, if you could share one piece of advice with our audience, what would you like them to leave with?
Tiffany Andrews
One piece of advice to leave with, okay, I'm so sorry. So, when you say one, I'm a Gemini, so I'm giving you two. Okay, growing up, growing up. I was taught, good, better, best. Never let it rest. Until you're good is better and you're better is the best. Okay? That's one piece of advice, old school advice, old school, and the other one actually comes from--I have it on my computer. I always have it stuck to my computer because it helps ground me. And it's actually a quote by Margaret Thatcher. I haven't memorized, but I guess I should read it so I, like, don't screw it up. Don't screw up, you know, Margaret Thatcher's words. But watch your thoughts for they become your actions. Watch your actions for they become your habits. Watch your habits for they will force your character, and watch your character for that will make your destiny. Your character makes your destiny. That's beautiful. Isn't that beautiful?
Courtney Stanley
It gives me chills. Not gonna lie. That was really deep.
Tiffany Andrews
And you put that on the side of your computer monitor...
Courtney Stanley
I think I need to, yeah. I need to, plus I probably won't remember it, right? Anyway, so I think I need to put it on. Yeah. Oh, well, thank you so much, Tiffany, for being here with me today and for sharing your insight and your wisdom with everybody. This has been just a wonderful conversation. And we're so grateful for your time.
Tiffany Andrews
I appreciate it, and keep pushing the envelope. Anything you think that is cool, it is cool. And I tell people you can make it cooler, and work with talented people. We all don't know how to do everything. But when you surround yourself with the right people, you can make those things happen. And you can do work that you're very, very proud of, and accomplishments that you're super-duper proud of, and impacting those lives that you that need to be impacted. I really appreciate this time and I'm glad I was here for Women's History Month.
Courtney Stanley
All right. Thank you again, Tiffany, and audience, of course. Thank you for tuning in to another episode. Share what you learned from this conversation with us on social media by following at Meetings Today and at Courtney on Stage. And be sure to never miss an episode by subscribing to Dare to Interrupt on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google podcasts.
